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806 posts
msg #53978
8/11/2007 3:11:40 AM

reason vix hit >99.5% on weekly rsi-2 today hit >99.7% with the last 4 days on the daily rsi-2 and 98.3% on the monthly rsi-2 today at the vix high- the last time they got this high was at the dead bottom of the qqqq at 20 in 10-10-02- best stock to get now that have the best upside potential-- nvda csco qqqq and especially crox at 50.50- the fastest stock to trade the rsi-2 with are ftek tsl fslr elon ma rimm after its split--jaso amsc zolt- you can basicall throw a dart at any stock above the 200 ma and win on it- but its better to do ones like above that have a tendency to move the fastest- and all you have to do to find these is use the following settings under your indicacators i caLL It wm% meaning weekly % average movemnt- and the higher this is the faster these stock move up-- 0.01-1% 0.10 is 10% the stock above are all 0.10-.30- i like to use stock >0.10--here is your setting that will show up on all your stock filter-s-it is the most accurate voltility indicator i have every come across or constructed ------by the way the last time the vix was this high the qqqq went up 12% in the following week and 25% in the first month- i would take 15%-perhaps the perfect timing for a rate cut on monday-that would do it- last rate cut qqqq went up 23% in 27 minutes in 2001----also if you look at the daily on the qqqq and vix which are dead on mirror images- the vix has a dead top doji dragon fly and the qqqq a dead bottom one---set{wm%, weekly atr(8)/ weekly ema(8) } and add column wm%

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msg #53981
Ignore Koronbock
8/11/2007 12:29:09 PM

Hi Mary,

your prediction is all well and good, but this market is completely news driven. If we do have more dirty secrets coming to the light, or 2 or 3 more hedge fund going belly up (or some major banks for that matter) then we will go down further. Lots of people have also redeemed their mutual fund shares, so the funds MUST sell in order to pay out. I have not seen real PANIC selling so far. If no bad news are coming out, then we will go higher.

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msg #53983
Ignore nikoschopen
8/11/2007 2:18:40 PM

With the central banks all around the globe injecting fresh cash into the nonliquid credit market, how can there not be any news―especially bad news?

Mortgage meltdown contagion

A grim forecast has economists more pessimistic over how far the collapse will spread to the rest of the economy.

By Les Christie, staff writer
August 10 2007: 4:16 PM EDT

NEW YORK ( -- The outlook for the housing market looks even bleaker than it did a week ago. Last Friday we reported that foreclosures were skyrocketing, home prices falling and recovery forecasts were being scaled back.

And now this week, the mortgage meltdown spread to the financial markets with ebola-like speed, sparking fears that tighter credit will have a broader impact on consumers, markets and the economy.

The U.S. government continues to downplay the danger. When the Federal Reserve met this week, the central bank said that inflation is the greatest threat to the economy, not the mortgage crisis.

Yet, Countrywide Financial, the nation's largest mortgage lender by volume, reported Thursday that "unprecedented disruptions" in the mortgage market were forcing it to cut way back on the number of loans it was securitizing and selling in the secondary markets.

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msg #53984
Ignore killerdude
8/11/2007 6:30:15 PM



806 posts
msg #53987
8/12/2007 2:20:54 AM

your government runs the stock market period amen (1 Rating) 11-Aug-07 07:34 pm with the help of other gs 7 nations- they have >80 trillion dollars in off ledger accounts you know nothing about- the market wont crash because they own most of the shares now-how the markets really work- the hedge funds that run it for our government- barrow shares from the big mutual funds- they do it in pairs- meaning that half the money-or shares- is traded to the other half-thats why you see all the 100 shares lots going-how do you think they run it up and down so fast-they buy and sell these shares too each other at no monetary lose at all to themselves- they just keep doing it over and over until they have sold about 20% to you the retailers- then they drop it and you the retailer sell in panic- they use this neg -positive news over and over- i menan if most people think the market is ready to crash-who do you think is trading 90% of these shares- for example the qqqq has traded 3 billion shares the last three weeks or 8 times the float-yet we have basically traded 47-49 the last 12 days and have gone no where- 95% of those 3 billion shares- are these hedge funds trading back and forth these shares-that is it-- and while they are running up and down they are getting people going both ways they are constantly getting money fronm people who keep losing because they panic-- and in the mean time they are getting you to buy billion of dollars of puts -with this false panic mode they created-- and you know that 95% of these people lose at options-because most of these put contracts are wriitin puts- so when they rocket up the market this next week all these puts will be worthless and the writters - your government will end up taking that money from you again over and over- and have you noticed that every other country follows us-reason-each government make money the same way we do

806 posts
msg #53988
8/12/2007 2:30:59 AM

also -they are forever saying that china now japan before are going to take billion of dollars and ruin our economy-well let see the qqqq fell 80% and the japan didnt take any money out-neither will china because they are in the same game we are in-taking money from their people-recently they freaked everybody out with all this neg news saying china was about to pull the plug on us- why would they when they have made 100 times more money just follwing us as doeas every other country in the world- ever thought it was strange why we never follow other countries- you see it involves the big cartel that own 95% of the world wealth -like the fed and the trilateral commision- did you know we dont even own the federal reserve?-read-THE FEDERAL RESERVE FRAUD
The first misconception that most people have is that the Federal Reserve Bank is a branch of the US government. IT IS NOT. THE FEDERAL RESERVE BANK IS A PRIVATE COMPANY. Most people believe it is as American as the Constitution. THE FACT IS THE CONSTITUTION FORBIDS IT'S EXISTENCE. Article 1, Section 8 of the Constitution states that Congress shall have the power to create money and regulate the value thereof, NOT A BUNCH OF INTERNATIONAL BANKERS! Today the FED controls and profits by printing WORTHLESS PAPER, called money, through the Treasury, regulating its value, AND THE BIGGEST OUTRAGE OF ALL, COLLECTING INTEREST ON IT! (THE SO-CALLED NATIONAL DEBT). The FED began with approximately 300 people or banks that became owners, stockholders purchasing stock at $100 per share - the stock is not publicly traded) in the Federal Reserve Banking System. They make up an international banking cartel of wealth beyond comparison. The FED banking system collects billions of dollars in interest annually and distributes the profits to its shareholders. The Congress illegally gave the FED the right to print money through the Treasury at no interest to the FED.
The FED creates money from nothing, and loans it back to us through banks, and charges interest on our currency. The FED also buys Government debt with money printed on a printing press and charges U.S. taxpayers interest. Many Congressmen and Presidents say this is fraud. Who actually owns the Federal Reserve Central Banks? The ownership of the 12 Central banks, a very well kept secret, has been revealed: 1. Rothschild Bank of London 2. Warburg Bank of Hamburg 3. Rothschild Bank of Berlin 4. Lehman Brothers of New York 5. Lazard Brothers of Paris 6. Kuhn Loeb Bank of New York 7. Israel Moses Seif Banks of Italy 8. Goldman, Sachs of New York 9. Warburg Bank of Amsterdam 10. Chase Manhattan Bank of New York.

These bankers are connected to London Banking Houses which ultimately control the FED. When England lost the Revolutionary War with America where our forefathers were fighting their own government, they planned to control us by controlling our banking system, the printing of our money, and our debt. The individuals listed below owned banks which in turn owned shares in the FED. The banks listed below have significant control over the New York FED District, which controls the other 11 FED Districts. These banks also are partly foreign owned and control the New York FED District Bank: First National Bank of New York, James Stillman National City Bank, New York, Mary W. Harnman, National Bank of Commerce, New York, A.D. Jiullard Hanover, National Bank, New York, Jacob Schiff, Chase National Bank, New York, Thomas F. Ryan, Paul Warburg, William Rockefeller, Levi P. Morton, M.T. Pyne, George F. Baker, Percy Pyne, Mrs. G.F. St. George, J.W. Sterling, Katherine St. George, H.P. Davidson, J.P. Morgan (Equitable Life/Mutual Life), Edith Brevour, T. Baker.

How did it happen? After previous attempts to push the Federal Reserve Act through Congress, a group of bankers funded and staffed Woodrow Wilson's campaign for President. He had committed to sign this act. In 1913, a Senator, Nelson Aldrich, maternal grandfather to the Rockefellers, pushed the Federal Reserve Act through Congress just before Christmas when much of Congress was on vacation. When elected, Wilson passed the FED. Later, Wilson remorsefully replied, referring to the FED, "I have unwittingly ruined my country". Now the banks financially back sympathetic candidates. Not surprisingly, most of these candidates are elected.

The bankers employ members of the Congress on weekends (nickname T&T club -out Tuesday with lucrative salaries. Additionally, the FED started buying up the media in the 1930's and now owns or significantly influences most of it. Presidents Lincoln, Jackson, and Kennedy tried to stop this family of bankers by printing U.S. dollars without charging the taxpayers interest. Today, if the government runs a deficit, the FED prints dollars through the U.S. Treasury, buys the debt, and the dollars are circulated into the economy. In 1992, taxpayers paid the FED banking system $286 billion in interest on debt the FED purchased by printing money virtually cost free. Forty percent of our personal federal income taxes goes to pay this interest. The FED's books are not open to the public. Congress has yet to audit it. Congressman Wright Patman was Chairman of the House of Representatives Committee on Banking and Currency for 40 years. For 20 of those years, he introduced legislation to repeal the Federal Reserve Banking Act of 1913. Congressman Henry Gonzales, Chairman of a banking committee, introduced legislation to repeal the Federal Reserve Banking Act of 1913 almost every year. It's always defeated, the media remains silent, and the public never learns the truth. The same bankers who own the FED control the media and give huge political contributions to sympathetic members of Congress.
THE FED FEARS THE POPULATION WILL BECOME AWARE OF THIS FRAUD AND DEMAND CHANGE. We, the People, are at fault for being passive and allowing this to continue. THE FEDERAL RESERVE BOARD, A GOVERNMENT BOARD, HAS CHEATED THE GOVERNMENT OF THE UNITED STATES AND THE PEOPLE OF THE UNITED STATES OUT OF ENOUGH MONEY TO PAY THE NATIONAL DEBT SEVERAL TIMES OVER. The depredations and the iniquities of the Federal Reserve Board and the Federal Reserve banks acting together have cost this country dearly.

They are private credit monopolies which prey upon the people of the United States for the benefit of themselves and their foreign customers; foreign and domestic speculators and swindlers; the rich and predatory money lenders. This is an era of economic misery and for the reasons that caused that misery, the Federal Reserve Board and the Federal Reserve banks are fully liable. Half a million dollars was spent on one part of propaganda organized by those same European bankers for the purpose of misleading public opinion in regard to the Federal Reserve Bank.

Every effort has been made by the Federal Reserve Board to conceal its power but the truth is the Federal Reserve Board has USURPED THE GOVERNMENT OF THE UNITED STATES. IT CONTROLS EVERYTHING HERE AND IT CONTROLS ALL OUR FOREIGN RELATIONS. IT MAKES AND BREAKS GOVERNMENTS AT WILL. No man and no body of men is more entrenched in power than the arrogant credit monopoly which operates the Federal Reserve Board and the Federal Reserve banks. These evil-doers have robbed this country. What the Government has permitted the Federal Reserve Board to steal from the people should now be restored to the people.
Our people's money to the extent of $1,200,000,000 has within the last few months been shipped abroad to redeem Federal Reserve Notes and to pay other gambling debts of the traitorous Federal Reserve Board and the Federal Reserve banks. The greater part of our monetary stock has been shipped to foreigners. Why should we promise to pay the debts of foreigners to foreigners? Why should American Farmers and wage earners add millions of foreigners to the number of their dependents? Why should the Federal Reserve Board and the Federal Reserve banks be permitted to finance our competitors in all parts of the world? The Federal Reserve Act should be repealed and the Federal Reserve banks, having violated their charters, should be liquidated immediately. FAITHLESS GOVERNMENT OFFICERS WHO HAVE VIOLATED THEIR OATHS SHOULD BE IMPEACHED AND BROUGHT TO TRIAL.

If the media is unbiased, independent and completely thorough, why haven't they discussed the FED? Currently, half the states have at least a grass roots movement in action to abolish the FED, but there's no press coverage. In July, 1968, the House Banking Subcommittee reported that Rockefeller, through Chase Manhattan Bank, controlled 5.9% of the stock in CBS. Furthermore, the bank had gained interlocking directorates with ABC.

In 1974, Congress issued a report stating that the Chase Manhattan Bank's stake in CBS rose to 14.1% and NBC to 4.5%. The same report said that the Chase Manhattan Bank held stock in 28 broadcasting firms. After this report, the Chase Manhattan Bank obtained 6.7% of ABC, and today the percentage is most likely much greater. It only requires 5% ownership to significantly influence the media . This is only one of 300 wealthy shareholders of the FED. It is believed other FED owners have similar holdings in the media. To control the media, FED bankers call in their loans if the media disagrees with them.

Rockefeller also controls the Council on Foreign Relations (CFR), the sole purpose of which is to aid in stimulating greater interest in foreign affairs and a one world government. Nearly every major newscaster belongs to the Council on Foreign Relations. The Council on Foreign Relations controls many major newspapers and magazines. Additionally, major corporations owned by FED shareholders are the source of huge advertising revenues which surely would influence the media.

Every day I hear people complaining about what they don't like about our government and media, but not one of them are willing to put forth an effort to try and change it, especially when it comes to their personal lives. We are as much a slave on a personal level, as our government is to the international bankers. We keep right on using the tool they put out here to control us, credit cards, and we are imprisoned by it. We are no longer willing to save up to buy something, we have to have it right now, so the Government has made it easy to have what you want without the having to save for it, (CREDIT). Don't you think it funny that in a land with so much wealth, only 2 PERCENT of the people own their homes? (CREDIT). Do you know 60 PERCENT of Americans have at least 3 Credit cards used to it's maximum? (CREDIT). Do you know that only 1 PERCENT of the people have their car paid for? (CREDIT). To be free, you must throw away your credit cards, and NEVER buy anything that you cannot afford at the moment of purchase. We will never be a free people until we rid ourselves of the burden placed here to control us, and when we stop renting from the powers, the power will cease to exist.

I will close with Thomas Jefferson's Warning To America : "I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around [the banks] will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered. The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs." Written by Jefferson in a letter to the Secretary of the Treasury

6,396 posts
msg #53993
Ignore karennma
8/12/2007 11:26:02 AM

It's true, Mary4M.
The government IS controlling the markets. (and the central banks)
But the question we all must ask ourselves is ..
When will the House of Cards collapse?
Ya' know, Ponzi schemes can't last forever.
If it weren't for the ECBs and the FRB, the $INDU would probably be @ 10,000!

Photo Gallery: Credit Crunch Roils World Markets
Ben Bernanke and the Fed pushed $38 billion in temporary reserves into the system Friday, on top of a similar move the day before.
- Fed Calms Street Panic With Cash Infusion
Posted: 2007-08-10 16:17:58
WASHINGTON (Aug. 10) - The Federal Reserve, trying to calm turmoil on Wall Street, announced Friday that it will pump as much money as needed into the U.S. financial system to help overcome the ill effects of a spreading credit crunch.
The Fed, in a short statement, said it will provide "reserves as necessary" to help the markets safely make their way. The central bank did not provide details but said it would do all it can to "facilitate the orderly functioning of financial markets."
The Fed pushed $38 billion (euro27.84 billion) in temporary reserves into the system Friday, on top of a similar move the day before.
Financial markets in the United States and around the globe have been shaken by fears about spreading credit problems that started with home mortgages for those with tarnished credit histories. Investors are worried that these problems will infect the larger financial system and possibly hurt the U.S. economy.
The current financial turmoil provides the biggest test yet to Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke , who took the helm last year.
The Fed's action comes one day after a financial panic about a credit crunch swept through Europe. That prompted the Europeans to pump $130 billion (euro95.24 billion) into their financial system. The Fed moved Thursday to add an extra $24 billion (euro17.58 billion) in temporary reserves to the U.S. banking system. But that wasn't enough to comfort Wall Street, which suffered its second-worst decline of the year that day.

"If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around them will deprive the people of all property until their children wake up homeless on the continent their fathers
conquered."-- Thomas Jefferson

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msg #53994
Ignore karennma
8/12/2007 11:30:43 AM

Isn't it ironic we both used the same quote from Thomas Jefferson, yet I AM concerned about markets crashing, but you remain so optimistically bullish?

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msg #54000
Ignore corsino
8/12/2007 3:16:38 PM

It's true that the market is short-term oversold, but I'm not convinced it has reached a meaningful bottom.On the QQQQ, which M4M relies on, drawing a trend line from the top at 19 July (49.87)to the top at 8 August (49.42), it can be seen that it is on a downtrending channel.The QQQQ may now bounce since it's so oversold,but will it be big enough to break thru the downtrending line ?

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msg #54003
Ignore Koronbock
8/12/2007 3:43:59 PM

Trendlines or any technical analysis will NOT work in this kind of market IMHO. It is completely news driven and it looks to me that underfunded and illiquid institutions are coming to the limelight piece by piece like wildfire. It does not look all that good to me. Time is also of th essence. There may not be enough time left for big funds to meet redemption timelines. These big funds are like huge tankers in the ocean, they can not turn around on a moment's notice and find the liquidity they need fast enough. But investors demand their money and that may result in panic selling by the funds. So we must wait and see.

This may be a great buying opportunity, it may also be the beginning of great avalanche crashing down.

Here are some interesting comments in the free "RightSide Report" by Richard Suttmeier:

Black Box Trading - Automated trading systems may not be able to handle the volatile liquidity. The assumptions used in the creation of a model can be flawed.

In my younger days I wrote simulation models, and they were built with my bias (my way of thinking) and thus "programmed" to give the results I may have wanted, but may not be realistic in the real world.

Many Black Box Trading models today conflict, creating that perfect storm of volatility that just by nature implodes. Notice how stock prices for individual stocks have unusual swings on interpretation and reacting to news. Also keep in mind that LTCM models were designed by two noble prize winning economists.

And, his prediction on the market:

We are still at the tip of the iceberg! - The housing meltdown and related financing difficulties will continue to worsen, and as a result the US economy will be in Recession in 2008 2009. A bear market for stocks will be confirmed in the second half of 2007.

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