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mystiq
650 posts
msg #74506
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5/17/2009 9:56:49 PM

CHETRON--->thx :: for the monthly doji...what do you think about:
1) last weekly close of 20 day period
2) first weekly open of 20 day period
3) every fourth weekly close
4) 4 week weekly close

mystiq
650 posts
msg #74563
Ignore mystiq
5/19/2009 4:05:56 AM

==>just playing with different formulas:: looks for 20 day dojis 1 month ago::

set{closem,cma(close,20)}
set{openm,cma(open,20)}
set{body_top,max(openm,closem)}
set{body_bottom,min(openm,closem)}
show stocks where body_top is less than .000001 percent above body_bottom 4 weeks ago
add column body_top
add column body_bottom
optionable
chart-display weekly
avg volume(5) > 20000000



mystiq
650 posts
msg #74628
Ignore mystiq
5/21/2009 3:05:37 AM

Follow The Smart $$: Let Candles & Volume Guide The Way ::DAILY TOPS
(-.-)
set{diff2,volume minus volume 3 days ago}
set{diff2%,diff2 / volume 3 days ago}
set{Vchange%,diff2% * 100}
set{v1,count(volume 1 day ago below volume 2 days ago, 1)}
set{v2,count(volume 1 day ago below volume 3 days ago, 1)}
set{p1,count(low 1 day ago below low 2 days ago, 1)}
set{p2,count(low 1 day ago below low 3 days ago, 1)}
set{p4,count(close 1 day ago above close 2 days ago, 1)}
set{p5,count(close 1 day ago above close 3 days ago, 1)}
set{pvsa, p1 + p2}
set{pvsaa, p4 + p5}
set{vsa, v1 + v2}
pvsaa > 1
vsa > 1
confirmt > 0
close < close 1 day ago
set{HiLoRng, High - Low}
set{ClOpRng, abs(Close minus Open)}
set{ClOp_HiLo_ratio, ClOpRng / HiLoRng}
set{Range, count(HiLoRng is below .05, 1)}
set{Body, count(ClOp_HiLo_ratio is less than .02, 1)}
set{doji, Range * Body}
set{A9, count(doji > 0 1 day ago,1)}
set{B9, count(doji > 0 2 days ago,1)}
set{OR1, A9 + B9}
OR1 above 0
optionable
add column Vchange%
Follow The Smart $$: Let Candles & Volume Guide The Way ::DAILY BOTTOMS
(-.-)
set{diff2,volume minus volume 3 days ago}
set{diff2%,diff2 / volume 3 days ago}
set{Vchange%,diff2% * 100}
set{v1,count(volume 1 day ago below volume 2 days ago, 1)}
set{v2,count(volume 1 day ago below volume 3 days ago, 1)}
set{p1,count(low 1 day ago below low 2 days ago, 1)}
set{p2,count(low 1 day ago below low 3 days ago, 1)}
set{p4,count(close 1 day ago above close 2 days ago, 1)}
set{p5,count(close 1 day ago above close 3 days ago, 1)}
set{pvsa, p1 + p2}
set{pvsaa, p4 + p5}
set{vsa, v1 + v2}
pvsa > 1
vsa > 1
confirmb > 0
add column Vchange%
set{HiLoRng, High - Low}
set{ClOpRng, abs(Close minus Open)}
set{ClOp_HiLo_ratio, ClOpRng / HiLoRng}
set{Range, count(HiLoRng is below .05, 1)}
set{Body, count(ClOp_HiLo_ratio is less than .02, 1)}
set{doji, Range * Body}
set{A9, count(doji > 0 1 day ago,1)}
set{B9, count(doji > 0 2 days ago,1)}
set{OR1, A9 + B9}
OR1 above 0
close > close 1 day ago
optionable
Follow The Smart $$: Let Candles & Volume Guide The Way ::WEEKLY BOTTOMS
(-.-)
weekly volume 2 weeks ago < weekly volume 3 weeks ago
weekly low 2 weeks ago < weekly low 3 weeks ago
weekly williams %r(2) 2 weeks ago < -70
weekly close 1 week ago < close
draw weekly VWMACD(2,3,1) on plot weekly VWMACD Histogram(2,3,9)
set{HiLoRng, weekly High - weekly Low}
set{ClOpRng, abs(weekly Close minus weekly Open)}
set{ClOp_HiLo_ratio, ClOpRng / HiLoRng}
set{Range, count(HiLoRng is below .05, 1)}
set{Body, count(ClOp_HiLo_ratio is less than .02, 1)}
set{doji, Range * Body}
set{A9, count(doji > 0 1 week ago,1)}
set{B9, count(doji > 0 2 weeks ago,1)}
set{OR1, A9 + B9}
OR1 above 0
chart-display weekly
optionable
Follow The Smart $$: Let Candles & Volume Guide The Way ::WEEKLY TOPS
(-.-)
weekly volume 2 weeks ago < weekly volume 3 weeks ago
weekly close 2 weeks ago > weekly close 3 weeks ago
weekly williams %r(2) 2 weeks ago > -40
weekly close 1 week ago > close
draw weekly VWMACD(2,3,1) on plot weekly VWMACD Histogram(2,3,9)
set{HiLoRng, weekly High - weekly Low}
set{ClOpRng, abs(weekly Close minus weekly Open)}
set{ClOp_HiLo_ratio, ClOpRng / HiLoRng}
set{Range, count(HiLoRng is below .05, 1)}
set{Body, count(ClOp_HiLo_ratio is less than .02, 1)}
set{doji, Range * Body}
set{A9, count(doji > 0 1 week ago,1)}
set{B9, count(doji > 0 2 weeks ago,1)}
set{OR1, A9 + B9}
OR1 above 0
optionable
chart-display weekly




okrafarmboy
2 posts
msg #95408
Ignore okrafarmboy
8/5/2010 2:46:58 PM

I've been using Persons Pivots for awhile now and find that it works better for me than anyother method I've used. My problem is finding stocks when the daily signal generated occurs when the weekly and monthly signals are pointing the same way as the daily.

I occassionally find set ups that match the above criteria, but I'm having to go through long lists of stocks (sometimes 100's) to find them. I trade on Think or Swim and can't set up a scan there that can produce these signals. I have set up some moving average scans on Stock Fetcher, that sometimes work but have long periods of no signal for John Persons Pivot points.

I'm not good at using SF's examples to set up a scan that will deliver the results I want so I decided to ask for help. If any one here has successfully developed a scan that produces a reasonable number of signals for the Persons method I would appreciate you giving me a reply.

Thanks in advance for your advice.

welliott111
98 posts
msg #95411
Ignore welliott111
8/5/2010 3:57:31 PM

try here

four
3,995 posts
msg #95412
Ignore four
8/5/2010 4:03:53 PM

http://tradingoptionslab.com/blog/traders-unscripted-meet-john-person-pivot-points-and-candlesticks-expert/

wkloss
230 posts
msg #95421
Ignore wkloss
8/5/2010 8:42:26 PM

okrafarmboy,

Are you using Person's Pivots or Person Pivot Studies (abbreviated PPS on thinkorswim)? If you are using PPS, there are some candlesticks involved. I purchased his Candles Stick & Pivot Points (or a title something like that) long enough ago that I don't recall exactly how he used the candlesticks and I believe he said it was proprietary. The formula for the pivot crossovers seemed simple enough to duplicate but the candlesticks seemed difficult, especially if you don't know which ones to use.

I lost interest in his work for exactly the same problem you have. You have to screen every stock one by one and that just doesn't make sense for most people. His latest video involves the COT report and the system seems interesting. He is using his PPS after he has decided what to trade using seasonality and the COT report 1st. Then he uses the PPS for timing his entry. This is a long way of saying that that he doesn't use pivot Points or PPS as a screener. If he doesn't use his own indicators to screen for candidates, that may be telling us something.

I agree with you that his signals look good.

Bill

okrafarmboy
2 posts
msg #96934
Ignore okrafarmboy
10/14/2010 7:48:02 PM

Bill,

I'm sorry that I wasn't aware of your reply. It sounds like we are having a similar experience.

From using Person's Pivots and buy signals, it seems to me that what is needed is a Stock Fetcher formula that can tell you when a candlestick's closing price is above the average high of the past four (I think) candlesticks or below the average low of the past four candlesticks. Then you should get either a list of stocks that could be generating or be close to generating a signal when you analyze their charts on your trading platform.

The SF guys have helped me some; however, so far no filter I've used here has been able to provide a list of stocks that are close to generating signals.

I still like Person's stuff better than anything else I've found even if I have to go through long lists of stocks. I wish I had found it first along with Nison's candlestick training. Would have saved me quite a lot.



wkloss
230 posts
msg #96991
Ignore wkloss
10/15/2010 12:11:58 PM

okra,

You might try searching the Forum for Pivot Point posts. Here is one that was posted a while back. I don't remember the name of the author, could be four. Four produces a lot of good stuff. You can modify this to your needs.


close > cma(pp 1 day ago,5)
close > open
low > cma(pp 1 day ago,5)
high 1 day ago < cma(pp 1 day ago,5)

close between 1 and 20
avgvol(30) > 800000

I suggest you take a look at PPS on TOS. It will give you an idea of what his signals look like so you can compare them to the screen you want here at SF.

I signed up for a 3 session webinar by Person. It uses the seasonality concept I mentioned in the previous post. I usually don't like paying for these sessions but its only $99 and I have seen some of his free sessions and know he presents valid concepts.

When he does the Q&A part, I will ask if there is a screener for Pivot Points and PPS. I think he has some add on software available but its not for a platform I use.

Bill

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