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duke56468
683 posts
msg #96561
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9/25/2010 8:40:57 PM

OK....probably too sophisticated for this alzheimer's candidate. :-)

Kevin_in_GA
4,553 posts
msg #96636
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9/30/2010 5:47:23 PM

Hope folks are watching VWO (and GLD for those who can trade it). These are the top-ranked ETFs, and have both done quite well with this timing system.

VWO is up 5.89% since the BUY signal at the close on 9/13.

Going into tomorrow, no change to the relative rankings - no need to do any trading until the end of next week (and most likely not even then).

Kevin

davesaint86
269 posts
msg #96648
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10/1/2010 9:12:20 AM

Own both VWO and GLD in my IRA and Both my wife and I are in 80% in the International funds in our 401ks and 20% cash.

Dave

Kevin_in_GA
4,553 posts
msg #96671
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10/1/2010 3:44:46 PM

Good - was this based on this approach or something else?

Pretty clear that VWO and GLD are still the calls. Both up nicely today (again).

duke56468
683 posts
msg #96818
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10/8/2010 5:03:42 PM

Kevin I manually back-tested this filter using the offset to Friday back to Sept 2009 with EEM,AGG,IWM, it came out losing money. Am I using it wrong?

Kevin_in_GA
4,553 posts
msg #96866
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10/12/2010 4:29:14 PM

Duke:

Not sure how you are seeing losses on this filter. Make sure that you are investing in the highest TSI asset class based on each Friday's close. As an example, you would have been in AGG from May 7th (at 104.41) until Sept 10th (exiting at 107.50, up 2.96%) and moving into VWO at the open on the following Monday (at 43.69). It is currently at 46.76, up 7%.


duke56468
683 posts
msg #96868
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10/12/2010 5:04:55 PM

Kevin...I was using EEM,AGG,IWM, and yes I got +2.96% May 7- Sep 3,and +3.64% IWM Feb 19-APR 30, but from then on they are all losses back to Sept 25 2009. The most notable was EEM -5.77% between Oct 9 2009 and Oct 29 2009. I was running into the same whipsaw problems with VWO and GLD so tried the basic EEM,IWM,AGG. I didn't go back farther than Sept 09.

Kevin_in_GA
4,553 posts
msg #96872
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10/12/2010 7:43:10 PM

Duke:

This re-posting of an earlier comment I made is what you need to consider:

I finally got around to optimizing The TSI settings.

Using StrataSearch, I was able to have it calculate the weekly TSI data for SPY, IWM, AGG, and EEM going back to 2004. I them imported these into Excel and calculated the equity curves for each of 16 settings - weekly TSI(X,Y,1) where X = 3,5,7,9 and Y = 3,5,7,9). Luckily, the symmetric nature of double EMAs meant that I only had to calculate 10 different combinations (the triangular matrix for you math nerds). It did it for 2004 -2010 as well as 2007-2010. It seemed that most of the gains were actually made during the more volatile past 4 years.

Starting from 1/1/2007 until 8/27/2010, you got the following data:

weekly TSI(3,3,1) = 52.6% return since 2/2/2004, 45.6% return since 1/3/2007. 95 trades made since 2007.
weekly TSI(3,5,1) = 48.6% return since 2/2/2004, 50.8% return since 1/3/2007. 90 trades made since 2007.
weekly TSI(3,7,1) = 53.9% return since 2/2/2004, 50.9% return since 1/3/2007. 79 trades made since 2007.
weekly TSI(3,9,1) = 62.7% return since 2/2/2004, 45.7% return since 1/3/2007. 60 trades made since 2007.

weekly TSI(5,5,1) = 67.0% return since 2/2/2004, 59.4% return since 1/3/2007. 70 trades made since 2007.
weekly TSI(5,7,1) = 57.0% return since 2/2/2004, 35.2% return since 1/3/2007. 52 trades made since 2007.
weekly TSI(5,9,1) = 53.8% return since 2/2/2004, 42.3% return since 1/3/2007. 47 trades made since 2007.

weekly TSI(7,7,1) = 50.9% return since 2/2/2004, 42.3% return since 1/3/2007. 47 trades made since 2007.
weekly TSI(7,9,1) = 40.8% return since 2/2/2004, 30.5% return since 1/3/2007. 44 trades made since 2007.

weekly TSI(9,9,1) = 28.3% return since 2/2/2004, 25.8% return since 1/3/2007. 40 trades made since 2007.

Clearly the Weekly TSI(5,5,1) settings are the best within this set. Looking at the data from 2007, about 10% of the trades suggested were within 2 weeks of the previous trade, so that might be an issue of you are limited to only two reallocations per month.

For comparison:

SPY Buy and Hold: -19% return since 1/3/2007.

Diversified Portfolio (equal weights in all four ETFs): -0.1% return since 1/3/2007. Obviously there is value in having a diversified portfolio, but using strategic asset allocation based on buying into strength (either using RS or the weekly TSI) yields a much higher return at lower overall volatility.


Just looking back to September, you still are making a small profit at a much lower volatility. There will be times where you do not beat the SPY, and times (although limited) where you might lose money - that's all part of investing.

This system is designed to be easy for many casual investors or those managing thir 401k accounts to use. Happy to answer your questions here, but it is very self-explanatory.

duke56468
683 posts
msg #96874
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10/12/2010 8:40:45 PM

Thanks Kevin...
Maybe I was just overly concerned about the seven negative round trips between Sept 25 09 and Feb 12 10. S-P 500 made a small gain (3%) during that time. The problem on a small account becomes transaction costs. Do you feel IWM,EEM,AGG are a viable combination with this filter?

Kevin_in_GA
4,553 posts
msg #96875
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10/12/2010 9:21:21 PM

It depends - I use these as proxies for mutual funds into which my 401k can be invested. If I were using this as a separate investment tool, I personally would look for multiple uncorrelated or weakly correlated assets (this is why I developed the most recent iteration of his filter that automatically generates a 100 day correlation matrix).

I look at the following:

Core set - IWM, SPY AGG, VWO, VNQ, GLD

Extended set - KBE, SMH, LQD, XHB

Beyond 10 classes it gets to the point where you are probably trading too many times - with 4 to 6 basic asset classes, your trading frequency is less and you still are riding the relative strength wave.



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