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msg #85467
Ignore Kevin_in_GA
1/3/2010 4:06:40 PM

OK, it's a new year, and for fun let's say that you just were given 1 million dollars to invest.

I know that at the $10,000 level, the objective is to grow your capital quickly, but at 100 times that amount how would you do things differently? How would your trading style change from what it is now (I guess this assumes that you are not at the $1,000,000+ level yet!).

Let's hope we all have this problem in 2010.


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msg #85479
Ignore Eman93
1/3/2010 9:39:09 PM

if you are making money why change your method....

671 posts
msg #85480
Ignore miketranz
1/3/2010 10:07:39 PM

Kevin,whatever method your using,two things will happen.1)You'll make money at a faster rate with more size 2)You'll lose money at a faster rate with more size.With that said,what's your opinion on AAPL?

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msg #85490
Ignore SFMc01
1/4/2010 8:45:40 AM

Value Line rates AAPL as a "1": for TIMELINESS and a "3" for SAFETY and Financial Strength of A++.

Investors Business Daily rates AAPL with a composite rating of "99"

In other words .... still a very good short term investment.


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msg #85491
Ignore Kevin_in_GA
1/4/2010 8:52:16 AM

If I had a $10,000 account that suddenly went to $1,010,000, I would stop and start thinking about wealth preservation as well as capital growth. Also, now a "modest" 10% annual gain translated to over $100,000, which would be nearly impossible to achieve before.

I would probably put the majority into a series of diversified investments that would safely make 10%, then continue to trade a smaller portion aggressively. Of course others would do this differently, which is what I am interested in hearing about.

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msg #85493
Ignore miketranz
1/4/2010 9:05:05 AM

Kevin,with that kind of money,you can buy an apartment building,collect rents.The only problem with that is people are so broke,you won't be getting your money at the end of the month.Also,when the animals you call tenants destroy the place,you'll be in court so much,you won't have any time for the markets.Then the tax man will finish you of in the long run.There's no easy solution.......

3,316 posts
msg #85514
Ignore four
1/4/2010 12:33:54 PM



"I would probably put the majority into a series of diversified investments that would safely make 10%"

Please share some ideas ...

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msg #85516
Ignore Kevin_in_GA
1/4/2010 1:41:55 PM

Here is my thinking on this - not trying to bias any discussion on this topic, though. I really do want to hear what others would do if given a million or so to invest. I had posted this earlier under a thread called "Balanced Portfolio" but will repost it here as well.

About 18 months ago, this article was published on

Here is the link: The Only 7 Investments You'll Ever Need

1. Blue-Chip US Stock Fund:

First Choice: Fidelity Fidelity Spartan 500 Index (FSMKX).
Not so long ago, the idea that U.S. stocks should be at the core of any investment strategy would have been deemed too obvious to discuss. This decade, in which the brutal 2000-02 bear market and the current downturn have left the S&P 500 stuck where it started, may have changed that. Let's review: Since 1967 there have been seven bear markets, with losses ranging from 19% to 49%.

Even so, the annual gain for blue-chip U.S. stocks is 10.8% - far outpacing bonds. Those painful but temporary losses are the price you pay for higher potential returns. And those gains are the best defense against the corrosive effects of inflation. Are stocks better than gold at whipping inflation? Way better: Since 1908, stocks have grown more than eightfold after inflation; gold has little more than doubled in today's dollars.

Although U.S. firms no longer dominate the world, their stocks still account for more than 40% of the world's equity value. So U.S. blue chips need to be at the heart of a diversified strategy. The best way to own them is through the Fidelity Spartan 500 Index fund. It replicates the performance of the S&P 500 and takes only a sliver of a fee for doing so: 0.10% a year.

Alternatives: iShares S&P 500 Index (IVV) and Selected American Shares (SLASX )

2. A blue-chip foreign-stock fund

First choice: Vanguard Total International Stock Index (VGTSX).
The most important reason you need to own foreign stocks has nothing to do with the fact that they've trounced U.S. equities for the past five years. Sticking only with domestic stocks is akin to shopping in a store that's missing most of its inventory: Nearly 60% of the world's stock market value resides in companies outside our borders. Besides, since investing in stocks is all about owning a piece of a growing economic pie, you have to go to where the growth is - and 76% of the world's economic activity takes place outside the U.S. Then there's the diversification argument. Even though foreign markets held up no better than U.S. ones in the current downturn, overseas diversification still works. Researchers at T. Rowe Price found that since 1970, a 20% weighting in foreign equities both raised a U.S. fund portfolio's return and cut its risk.

The simplest way to add stocks from both developed and emerging economies to your portfolio is to own Vanguard Total International Stock Index. As an index fund, it merely aims to match the return of the world's stock markets. Thanks to the inherent wisdom and efficiency of this approach - the fund charges a tiny 0.27% a year in expenses - it has outperformed more than 90% of its peers over the past five years.

Alternatives: Vanguard FTSE All World Ex-U.S. ETF (VEU) and Dodge & Cox Intl. Stock (DODFX )

3. A small-company fund

First choice: T. Rowe Price New Horizons (PRNHX).
The greatest returns in the stock market come from taking above-average risks. That's why over periods of a decade or longer, small-company funds - which own shares of small, dynamic companies - can outpace the rest of the market by an average of one to three percentage points a year. This isn't the only reason to carve out a permanent niche in your portfolio for such funds. They sometimes pick up steam just when blue chips stagnate, making them a great diversifier. In the 1970s, for instance, small stocks delivered nearly twice the gains of blue chips.

Most of our first-choice picks are index funds, but this one is an exception: T. Rowe Price New Horizons. In this category, it may be worth paying slightly more - just slightly - for active management, and New Horizons is one of the most efficient of the actively managed crowd.

Alternatives: Vanguard Small-Cap Index (NAESX) and Vanguard Small-Cap ETF (VB)

4. A value fund

First choice: Vanguard Value Index (VIVAX).
The universe of equities is divided into two groups: growth stocks, which are shares of high-performing companies that often trade at steep prices (relative to their earnings growth or assets); and value investments, overlooked or beaten-down shares selling at discount prices. Why do you need to bother with the bargain-basement bin?

For starters, value stocks typically pay out significantly higher dividends than growth companies. Today, in fact, the average value stock in the S&P 500 yields 3.5% - nearly twice what growth stocks pay out. Dividends give value stocks a steadier source of return than growth funds, which rely almost entirely on the market's opinion. That's one reason that over long stretches, value trumps growth more often than not.

In the equity investors' bible, "Stocks for the Long Run," University of Pennsylvania professor Jeremy Siegel points out that value returned an average of 15.7% a year between 1975 and 2001, nearly two points a year more than growth stocks.

When choosing a value fund, the last thing you want to do is overpay. Vanguard Value Index is a cost-effective way to buy the universe of blue-chip value stocks for just 0.20% in annual fees. The low costs explain how this plain-vanilla fund has returned about 13% a year since 2003, beating 78% of its peers.

Alternatives: iShares S&P 500 Value Index (IVE) and T. Rowe Price Equity Income (PRFDX)

5. A high-quality bond fund

First choice: Vanguard Total Bond Market Index (VBMFX).
As much as you need stocks, "precious few people can really stomach an all-stock portfolio," says William Bernstein, author of "The Four Pillars of Investing." Equities are essential for long-term growth, but you hardly need reminding in today's market they're not that reliable in the short run.

Bonds will never run the table in performance, at least not when high-quality corporate bonds are yielding around 5.5%, as they are today. So think of the fixed-income funds in our simple portfolio as ballast to make your nest egg more stable. Over the past five years, a portfolio consisting of 80% blue-chip stocks and 20% bonds delivered nearly 90% of the returns of an all-stock portfolio, but with just four-fifths of the risk.

Today you can own the fixed-income universe in one fund, Vanguard Total Bond Market. Since bond funds return less than stock funds, low annual fees are crucial, and in this one they total just 0.19% vs. 1.02% for the average fund. That advantage makes Vanguard's index fund very tough to beat.

Alternatives: Vanguard Total Bond Market ETF (BND) and Harbor Bond (HABDX)

6. An inflation-protected bond fund

First choice: Vanguard Inflation-Protected Securities Fund (VIPSX).
For the better part of two decades, inflation has been the polio of the American economy: a terrifying danger, to be sure, but one you could confidently say was eradicated. No longer. Since last fall, consumer prices have been more than 4% higher than the year before - a rate we have not seen in nearly 20 years.

Why worry if you have an ample dose of stocks? Because as you get older, you'll gradually reduce your equity stake while boosting your bond allocation, to reflect your greater income needs and the fact that you can't afford to take as much short-term risk as you once could. But inflation eats away more than half of the return of a conventional bond.

Enter funds made up of inflation-protected bonds. These portfolios invest in Treasury Inflation-Protected Securities, or TIPS, which not only pay a predetermined yield but also adjust the value of the bond's principal to preserve purchasing power. Among TIPS funds, Vanguard Inflation-Protected Securities has several things going for it, including lower costs and better management than you would get if you assembled your own TIPS portfolio. While the fund returned 6.6% over the past five years, you shouldn't expect it to make a pile of dough. Its job is to protect the money you already have.

Alternatives: iShares Lehman TIPS Bond (TIP) and T. Rowe Price Infl.-Protected Bond (PRIPX)

7. A money-market fund

First choice: Fidelity Cash Reserves (FDRXX).
A money-market fund is essentially a cash account. And as we've said in the past, cash is not an investment - it's a place to stash your emergency fund or safeguard money you'll need to spend right away. In fact, over the past decade, the 100 largest money funds returned just 3.6% a year on average, barely keeping pace with the long-term rate of inflation.

So why, then, include it in the only seven investments you need? As an investor, there are times when you'll need to have some cash to manage your portfolio. What if you wanted to take advantage of a buying opportunity in the stock market, for instance? Without some money that's easy to get at, you'd have to sell some stock or bond holdings, possibly triggering taxes.

As you get older, you'll also need an account to safely park the income thrown off by your stocks and bonds. While they don't carry FDIC insurance, money funds are a solid choice. They're about as safe as a bank account, since they aim to maintain principal value. Yet they're more liquid than CDs.

When choosing a money fund, think service and fees. Among the largest funds, Fidelity Cash Reserves has the highest current yield at 2.85% (thanks to modest fees). And Fidelity will let you link a high-yielding checking account to the fund.

Alternatives: Schwab Value Advantage Money (SWVXX) and Vanguard Prime Money Market (VMMXX)

Just curious on people's thoughts. Using the indices listed (since we can't screen the mutual funds) this portfolio has done quite well over the past year.

I would include GLD or GDX, MOO, and DBA - just to cover the commodities - and replace TIP with WIP, which has greater international exposure and really outperformed TIP all year. I also like to look at ETFs for high yield corporate bonds, such as VYM, HYG and CWB as options for BND or the bond mutual funds.

Since 11/17/2008, this portfolio is up 39%. Not bad for buy and hold. With a simple management strategy (like buy at the 10 week MA crossing the 20 week MA, and sell when it goes back below, you would have avoided all of the losses of late last year, and gotten back in around mid-April.

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msg #85517
Ignore four
1/4/2010 2:16:39 PM

Thank you

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