pthomas215
1,251 posts
msg #133219
- Ignore pthomas215 |
12/14/2016 11:12:57 AM
shillihs, what is your opinion on the best play today if the market goes south at 2:30 eastern because it is confirmed that there will be a rate hike?
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shillllihs
5,988 posts
msg #133221
- Ignore shillllihs |
12/14/2016 12:46:15 PM
Not sure. I'm not good with short term plays. I would think tivx or just sit it out.
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Kevin_in_GA
4,599 posts
msg #133222
- Ignore Kevin_in_GA |
12/14/2016 1:08:19 PM
Weird - ^VIX is up 4.25% but TVIX is down 2.5%. Go figure. The movement of these ETFs seems more in line with contango than with tracking the Index.
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pthomas215
1,251 posts
msg #133224
- Ignore pthomas215 |
12/14/2016 1:33:43 PM
Absolutely right Kevin. And absolutely why I am confused how to play this news if I dont stay out.
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johnpaulca
12,036 posts
msg #133225
- Ignore johnpaulca |
12/14/2016 1:50:36 PM
TVIX tracks the VIX Futures market and not the spot VIX Index itself, that there is often contango in the futures market which has negative effects on TVIX returns over time.
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shillllihs
5,988 posts
msg #133226
- Ignore shillllihs |
12/14/2016 2:04:36 PM
In backwardation, does everything reverse? Will Xiv suffer and Tvix do well when Vix is down?
My recommendation is take a 33% position in Xiv and let it run. If it gets hammered, add 67%
Rinse and repeat always holding 33% until confirmed bear.
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Kevin_in_GA
4,599 posts
msg #133228
- Ignore Kevin_in_GA
modified |
12/14/2016 2:45:37 PM
In backwardation, does everything reverse? Will Xiv suffer and Tvix do well when Vix is down?
In the same way that contango acts as a drag on VXX, backwardation acts as a drag on XIV. However, backwardation in the VIX is relatively uncommon, happening only about 10% of the time over the last 5 years.
However, it does not necessarily mean that TVIX will do well if the VIX is down for a day, even in backwardation. Think of it more as a current that flows - contango is swimming upstream while backwardation is swimming downstream.
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shillllihs
5,988 posts
msg #133234
- Ignore shillllihs |
12/14/2016 8:33:58 PM
I get backwardation, I was just saying would the same phenomenon of not tracking be the same in reverse.
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shillllihs
5,988 posts
msg #133240
- Ignore shillllihs |
12/15/2016 5:50:20 AM
The answer PT, is DUST. I was going to say Dust but it just wouldn't of made sense. Let's see if this
is the preceding move before the big tank. If so, going to 90+.
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pthomas215
1,251 posts
msg #133242
- Ignore pthomas215 |
12/15/2016 9:48:36 AM
ha exactly is the answer. the truth is I was looking at it but didnt think there would be a correlation between a market dip and DUST.
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