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msg #87545
Ignore johnpaulca
2/1/2010 12:30:34 AM

Source: Stockscores

There are an ever increasing number of people who aspire to trade for a living. Trading seems to be the perfect career with the earnings potential, freedom and enjoyment that it offers. However, while trading is quite simple, it is not easy. Perhaps the most common error aspiring traders make is to underestimate just how much effort it takes to be good at it.

1. How Much Capital Do I Need?
I get asked this question a lot and I never have the same answer. I think that every trader should start out with no money at all. The very first thing you should do is trade on paper without risking your money so that you can learn many of the skills that you will need. Pilots fly in simulators to learn their skills because the cost of making mistakes is too high. So too should traders. has just created a trade simulator that we call the Trading Challenge that will allow you to practice trade in real world conditions. You pick trades in real market conditions and can earn a score based on your ability to make good trades. You can compare your results against others in the Stockscores community and learn from your mistakes without having your mistakes cost you a lot. The Trading Challenge is free to use, do so by clicking here

Once you are ready to use real capital, the amount of capital that you need will depend on what value you put on your time. With $10,000 in your trading account, you might be able to make an average of $200 a day. Is that enough for you to spend your day trading?

With time, you can increase your capital base as you gain confidence and improve your trading skill. However, an increase in capital should only come once you have found success with a smaller amount of cash. I advise those with a million dollars of capital to start with $10,000. The mistakes will cost you less.

2. How Do I Learn To Trade?
I taught myself to trade and I think anyone with lots of time can do it this way. However, you will learn more efficiently if you get some training from someone who knows how to trade and has the ability to teach well. Be careful about whom you choose to take your training from; I have seen good traders who are bad teachers and I have seen good teachers that are poor traders.

For those who would like to learn how to trade this year, I will be teaching three day courses in Toronto, Calgary and Vancouver this spring. On Sunday, I will focus on theory and longer term trading and then we will utilize real market conditions to identify opportunities through Monday and Tuesday. Class size will be limited so anyone interested in attending one of these classes should act quickly, you can send me an email to and I will provide the details.

3. Is It Possible to Make a Living Trading Stocks?
This would seem like a silly question to ask but it is an important one because everyone should be aware of the odds. I suspect that at least 90% of people who try to trade end up failing. Does that mean that trading is extremely hard? I don't think so, it is more that it is just so easy to try.

If anyone could be a doctor then you would have a lot of people who might read a book or two before trying to diagnose and treat illness. And, as a result, you would have a lot of failing doctors. Of course, not anyone can be a doctor without first going to school for a long time and undergoing constant upgrading of their education.

There is no requirement that traders get an education first. Anyone can open an account and risk their capital without getting any accreditation or training. The result is that most people fail in their pursuit to become a professional trader.

There are a lot of people who make their living off of trading and the best traders are the highest paid people in the world. Trader Magazine publishes a list of the top earning traders and last year you had to make at least $125 million to make the top 100. The top traders made over $2 billion - in one year!

So, it is absolutely possible to make a living trading stocks but it requires hard work, practice and determination. Not different than doing anything else well, really.

4. Can I Lose a Lot of Money Trading?
The quick answer is yes! Those who start trading without any knowledge of how to trade will surely lose their capital. They may get lucky in the short term and fall in to a false sense of security about their trading ability. However, eventually, traders who don't know what they are doing will pay a good deal of tuition to the college of trading.

One of the most overlooked aspects of trader's approach is good risk management. Traders that are early in their career tend to focus on the entry and then the exit decision. They come up with their formulas for picking the right time to buy or short and dive in to trading without any consideration of the most important skill for traders - risk management.

When I train people to trade, I spend a lot of time focusing on risk management. What size of a position should be taken, when to take a loss, when to take a break from trading - all of these questions must be answered and incorporated in to the trader's plan. If not, you may as well take your money to Las Vegas, at least there you might get a free drink while you lose your money.

5. How Long Will It Take Me to Become a Good Trader?
This is a hard question to answer because there are many variables that affect a person's success. I have seen people who became consistently successful after 3 months and others who spent 10 years before they could make a living at it.

Learning the mechanics of trading is not very hard or time consuming, I think most people can have that part figured out in a few months if they get good training to start. What is hard, and what some people can never learn, is how to take their emotions out of trading. Our minds are incredibly powerful and our emotions can make you see things that are not there. The best traders are those who don't care about the money, and that is a mental state that takes time to achieve.

6. What Kind of Hardware Do I Need?
Trading does not require a lot of computing power (unless you are trading with complex algorithmic models). For most traders, any computer built in the last 5 years will do fine. Trading on a Mac is a little bit of a challenge because most of the financial software does not run well on a Mac. However, if you install Parallels and run Windows on your Mac, you can do fine.

Having multiple monitors attached to your computer will make trading easier since you will have more space to watch your stocks. To have multiple monitors requires multiple video cards or a video card with multiple connections. Not every computer will have the expansion slots necessary to attach more than one video card and monitor so make sure that the machine you have or are considering can do this.

What is probably most important for the trader is a fast and reliable internet connection. You need to get stock price data and the more it is delayed from the source, the greater your disadvantage.

7. What Kind of Software Do I Need?
At a minimum, you need software that allows you to enter your trades. The brokerages offer two types of software for doing this. First, is the web based platform that will run through your Internet browser. Second, is dedicated software that you have to install on your computer.

Web based software is more convenient since you can access it from any computer connected to the Internet. However, it tends to have limited features and may not be as fast for getting updated price information.

Dedicated software can offer many more features for charting, scanning and analyzing the stock market. However, you have to be sure that you are on the machine that you have installed the software on in order to make your trades. And, there may be a cost to this software.

Most good brokers will provide both so that you can have the flexibility of a web platform and the features and power of an installed platform.

8. What Brokerage Should I Use?
Active traders require the fastest connection to the stock exchanges that they wish to trade. This means they should have an account with a direct access broker who can bypass the market maker system to get your orders direct to the exchange. This will mean you get the best price on your trades in the least amount of time.

If you are paying a small "ECN" fee on each of your trades then you are trading with a direct access broker. If not, then the brokerage may be routing your buy and sell orders through a market maker who is working your order for their own profit. While you do not see this cost on your trading statements, that cost is there as you may not be getting the best price in the market.

I trade through DisnatDirect who are rated number one in Canada. Their website is

9. What Is The Most Important Criteria for Success as a Trader?
I think that most people believe that intelligence would be the most important factor but I don't think so. I have seen a lot of very smart people who are miserable traders. Success in one aspect of life does not mean you are destined to be a great trader.

I think the most important factor is a love for trading. Since trading can be frustrating and a challenge to learn, having a passion for doing it will get you through the hard times and ensure that stick with it.

This leads to another important factor - determination. If you give up easily you will not last as a trader.

Finally, having the ability to control your emotions is important. Trading requires fast decisions involving money and that means emotions are easily involved. Trading well requires an emotional disconnect with the money.

10. How Do I Get Started?
Everything new seems complicated and overwhelming. The best way to learn is to break the topic down in to small manageable pieces and learn the pieces before putting them all together. This is how I teach people to trade; we start with the basics and just add pieces to the puzzle gradually. In the end, trading seems quite simple.

First, make sure you like the markets and trading. Perhaps read a book or two and study some of the free content on the web site. If you find it completely boring, you may not be destined to be a trader. If you can not stop your learning then you are a good candidate to get an education to learn the higher details of trading.

749 posts
msg #87558
Ignore miketranz
2/1/2010 9:25:09 AM

John,I like #4,Can I lose alot of money trading? My answer would be,"yes the stock market is a good place to lose your money".I'll tell you one thing,whoever says they could make "consistent" money after a few years of trading,is either trying to sell you a bag of goods,traded in a raging bull market,or is not tell you the truth.I've been in the game 15+ years and just starting to catch on.Where do you think the guy with 2 or 3 years experience stands?

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msg #87604
Ignore trendscanner
2/1/2010 7:26:12 PM

Great post, JP.

The person with just a few years experience might be really good if he/she has a great mentor.

But for the typical self-taught trader/investor (like me)'s sort of like going into battle on a moonless night armed with a pocket knife, a compass, and a little knowledge.......... against others armed with automatic weapons, GPS, and night vision goggles,.....if you can survive until dawn, you might have a chance....

11,734 posts
msg #87608
Ignore johnpaulca
2/1/2010 8:45:32 PM

Kinda like David and Goliath.

4,689 posts
msg #87610
Ignore Eman93
2/1/2010 10:01:21 PM

That was one idea I did have was to have some kind of trade simulater only running at 5 or 10X normal speed . Candles are candles, are candles, all time frames are the same right? just your risk reward is larger. Longer time frames do have more can change everything. But to day trade you are stuck baby sitting you trades. It ant easy......

749 posts
msg #87615
Ignore miketranz
2/1/2010 10:33:15 PM

Eman,swing trading is tough in this market.A guess at best,at worst you could lose alot of money consistently.I trade either buy on close/sell the open or right off the open gap fade,you know,the trades they tell you never to take.First 15 mins you're done,enjoy the rest of the day & your life.Most of a stocks movement in most cases is right off the open.A better way to day trade......

764 posts
msg #87619
Ignore gmg733
2/1/2010 11:22:54 PM

I agree with you Mike. As a swing trader it is becoming more and more difficult to effectively swing trade. I think there is a shift in the current market of trading intraday in general. I've had to shorten up on my 'swing' per se taking profits fast.

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